how fast can you go offshore

bob lico · Post by **bob lico** » Sep 1st, '11, 15:19

usual conversation at mariner "hey bob how fast can that bertram go?"the boat will go about 34knt. but i never exceed 25knts."why" thats why-----------------

Rawleigh · Post by **Rawleigh** » Sep 1st, '11, 15:39

Uh oh, what happened?

captbone · Post by **captbone** » Sep 1st, '11, 16:04

Being that high up on the bow, the must be operator issue.

Channel Marker/Buoy?

IRGuy · Post by **IRGuy** » Sep 1st, '11, 18:04

No paint scuff marks. Not torn or really cut.. mostly "blunt force trama".

The horizontal line makes me think the end of a float or finger pier? A large branch of a tree floating in the water? A partially submerged boat?

Brewster Minton · Post by **Brewster Minton** » Sep 1st, '11, 18:59

Marker.

bob lico · Post by **bob lico** » Sep 1st, '11, 19:26

you got it brewster!

Brewster Minton · Post by **Brewster Minton** » Sep 1st, '11, 19:34

From the looks of it a green lighted bouy.

bob lico · Post by **bob lico** » Sep 1st, '11, 19:38

i know it was green but not sure if it was lit. hit at 45mph .

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Sep 1st, '11, 22:03

Isn't that what supposidly sunk that 60 ft Bertram in SC. A marker. I guess this shows they can do damage.

ianupton · Post by **ianupton** » Sep 1st, '11, 22:17

What boat was that? Doesn't look like solid laminate.

Should buff out!! LOL!

Ian.

mike ohlstein · Post by **mike ohlstein** » Sep 1st, '11, 22:56

ianupton wrote:Should buff out!! LOL!
Ian.

Nah. I think this one's gonna take a little bondo to fix......

IRGuy · Post by **IRGuy** » Sep 2nd, '11, 00:23

Tony...

The 62' (I believe it was a 62, but it might have been larger) Bertram that sank in SC earlier this summer was supposedly the victim of a collision with a "high flyer" type buoy with a radar reflector on it, but there is a strong argument that there was no collision with anything and she delaminated on her own due to design and construction details. I believe there have been at least two such failures with the same model in the last year or so.

Pete Fallon · Post by **Pete Fallon** » Sep 2nd, '11, 04:46

Bob,
Looks like a hull from one of the Jupiter boats, or another big center console . Operator error no doubt.
Pete

Raybo Marine NY · Post by **Raybo Marine NY** » Sep 2nd, '11, 05:59

Tony Meola wrote:Isn't that what supposidly sunk that 60 ft Bertram in SC. A marker. I guess this shows they can do damage.

this is that exact marker that was the patsy for the sinking

Raybo Marine NY · Post by **Raybo Marine NY** » Sep 2nd, '11, 06:04

get at least 2 a year people hitting buoys, from pleasure boats to "top tier" CCs

lesser boats dont take the hit so well, everything shifts around cracking inner liners and the bulkheads fail and the other side of the boat cracks as well

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Sep 2nd, '11, 09:34

On the Rappahannock River in the last year where Rawleigh and I are we have had two boats hit markers at high speed in the dark which resulted in fatalities. Alcohol in both cases was involved. Surprise, Surprise!

Harry Babb · Post by **Harry Babb** » Sep 2nd, '11, 10:17

Mr Lico wrote:how fast can you go offshore

As fast as the seas and your pocket book will let you......trick here is watch where your going! ! ! !

I guess its pretty hard to see when your looking thru the bottom of a Bud Light can...LOL! ! !

Now with things below the waterline....that's another story! ! !

hb

Harry Babb · Post by **Harry Babb** » Sep 2nd, '11, 10:52

By the way, Ray, that's a very impressive looking repair.....good work

hb

TailhookTom · Post by **TailhookTom** » Sep 2nd, '11, 12:14

I wonder if he didn't have his headlights on -- that might be why he didn't see it?

The last boat I saw that looked that that came back to the dock and the Capt said that damned Green buoy was below the tide and popped up outta know where! His grandson, about age 6, said, Grandpa was getting a beer out of the cooler and the autopilot was on.....kids say the damndest things!

captbone · Post by **captbone** » Sep 2nd, '11, 12:59

Its very hard for some people to say that they screwed up or werent paying attention. This CC strike looks like the perfect case of that. When you see damage like that you will get one of two stories "I screwed up" or "the darn thing jumped out in front of me and it wasnt my fault".

In Memory Walter K · Post by **In Memory Walter K** » Sep 2nd, '11, 14:16

More of these accidents are Autopilot caused. Never leave it unattended unless going very slow (land a fish, etc). At 30 knots, you're asking for trouble that will be hard to explain away.

Peter · Post by **Peter** » Sep 2nd, '11, 15:32

The other side of this tale is to watch out for other vessles running on autopilot in reduced visability. Particularly when running courses between buoys or in a thuroughfare. Don't assume they are keeping watch or will avoid or give way to you when they should! Iv'e seen more than a couple of big boats zoom past me in the fog apparently totally unaware I was there. Must be those darn Bud Light beer cans... should make a policy they have to use bottles!

Peter

bob lico · Post by **bob lico** » Sep 2nd, '11, 20:53

the boat was a 29' everglades and he was coming home in the dark with radar but going to fast and hit a unlit green buoy .nobody was hurt and we cannot repair boat at this time due to the fact the entire "e" dock was totally destroyed during hurricane, we have a entire dockbuilding setup with mini tug with cranebarge. bossman loves to play with escavator removing poles and a cranebarge jetting in new ones.yardmen put 500 boats in the water working all night with portable huge duel lights on trailer.they hire 20 men for the yard/ carpentry work and the only lucky guys not braking there backs are the outboard mechanics ----blown outdrives mainly.

Carl · Post by **Carl** » Sep 3rd, '11, 11:47

I run as fast as I can see...and have time to stop the boat.

Sometimes with a nice moon behind me I may make it to a plane and others its moving along at trolling speed.

Call me a wimp, but I'd rather take my time moving along at 5-6mph enjoying a nice boat ride, then patching up a hole, reworking a bent drive-train or night swimming.

In Memory Walter K · Post by **In Memory Walter K** » Sep 3rd, '11, 16:10

I went out of Montauk harbor this morning. Ran to outer Shagwong bouy to see if we could catch some bait. Wow! Trees, logs, blocks of wood, plywood sheets running with the tide. Decided to get out of there, ran sloooowly to the lighthouse and around to the south side, where I found even bigger poles, logs and trees. In all my years out here I have never seen anything like it in these waters, yet there are boats running through at 20+ knots.

PeterPalmieri · Post by **PeterPalmieri** » Sep 3rd, '11, 20:24

It's a small freakin world. I just about had a Lico family reunion today.

Bob, we saw your daughter and chris down at the marina this morning, they werent headed out had a block party back at the house today. We went over to sailors haven. Grabbed the last free slip about 4 slips away from Phoenix, chatted with your son throughout the day. I forgot his wifes name please remind me. They decided to stay the night again if you haven't heard.

Who knows maybe we'll see the grand kids at church in the morning. All to strange.

bob lico · Post by **bob lico** » Sep 4th, '11, 02:49

anthony`s wife is wendy and there son is gavin, he is the next owner of phoenix so it will be around for two generations. a slip at sailors haven labor day weekend !! you best play lottery!

randall · Post by **randall** » Sep 4th, '11, 09:02

walter....try running over to fishers island. there will be a "weed line" of trees and construction debris that will be impenetrable.

In Memory Walter K · Post by **In Memory Walter K** » Sep 4th, '11, 10:38

Randall- Based on what I saw (and almost ran into) running over 15 kts is looking for trouble. I don't know what people without a bridge do in this kind of situation, pray? Half of this stuff is not visible unless you're up high. The seagulls I thought were sitting on the water were standing on 4x8 sheets of plywood.

Capt.Frank · Post by **Capt.Frank** » Sep 4th, '11, 13:14

Visabilty is a big issue with all these express boats today. Ya they usally have a tower for fishing but most don't run the boat from there. We had a 43' Viking express moving the boat back to Va for the whitmarlin bit from Hatteras hit somthing and went down in less than 10 min.
Got to keep you eyes on the water.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Sep 5th, '11, 09:04

Think I said posted this before, but my Granddaddy said, "Never approach anything faster than you want to hit it." Now if the visibility is limited . . .
We had a friend who loved to come into his slip pretty fast and slam her into reverse and lay on the throttle to stop. Saw the last time when the gear cable broke and,
it wasn't pretty.
Confucius say, "Man learns by mistakes. Smart man learns by mistakes of others."
Happy Labor Day, Faithful!

Dug · Post by **Dug** » Sep 6th, '11, 07:55

A log came up on the beach just down from our house yesterday. It was 20+ feet long and a solid 15-20 inches thick.

It had impact marks all down it from some lucky fellow who will probably be buying a new propellor this week. Or more.

I took it pretty easy this weekend. I was content to let the boat sit in her

Dug

Carl · Post by **Carl** » Sep 6th, '11, 08:03

All that wood in the water really brings back memories of what it used to be like around here...

TailhookTom · Post by **TailhookTom** » Sep 6th, '11, 09:23

There is a lot more than lumber to worry about -- a safe washed up on the beach in Milford, CT over the weekend -- now that would leave a mark if is was standing on end a foot below the surface!

34Hatt · Post by **34Hatt** » Sep 6th, '11, 14:24

Here is a picture I got of the flow out of the Ct river.

Pretty cool defined line.

This weekend heard about a car that made it out and was floating around for a while. Do know one guy had to stop turn around and go back some to get around a debris field.

randall · Post by **randall** » Sep 6th, '11, 17:03

dan...after one of the hurricanes i had to run a few miles along the trashline to get out of the block island sound. you could build a town with what was out there.

Rawleigh · Post by **Rawleigh** » Sep 6th, '11, 17:55

Looks like a mini Amazon!

Tony Meola · Post by **Tony Meola** » Sep 6th, '11, 21:14

sim wrote:I run as fast as I can see...and have time to stop the boat.

Sometimes with a nice moon behind me I may make it to a plane and others its moving along at trolling speed.

Call me a wimp, but I'd rather take my time moving along at 5-6mph enjoying a nice boat ride, then patching up a hole, reworking a bent drive-train or night swimming.

Sim

I am with you. If it is dark, run fast enough to just push this stuff out of our way. Bad enough hitting things during the day, but at night forget it.

bob lico · Post by **bob lico** » Sep 6th, '11, 21:50

not a wimp tony those unlit buoy`s can cause tremendous damage and rather common to follow a gps bread crumb trail back to slip on fogged night or no outside light that is why i try to leave 75' or so off buoy so i can stay on highlighted trail and verify my heading on radar picking up buoy`s as i approach them lit or not. this still don`t help me from hitting a 20' pole floating level with water. what in Gods name do you need with a 60mph triple 350hp cc inching back home in the fog at 5mph , the tendency is to speed with those kind of boat and you look like photo #1.

Carl · Post by **Carl** » Sep 10th, '11, 09:25

bob lico wrote:not a wimp tony those unlit buoy`s can cause tremendous damage and rather common to follow a gps bread crumb trail back to slip on fogged night or no outside light that is why i try to leave 75' or so off buoy so i can stay on highlighted trail and verify my heading on radar picking up buoy`s as i approach them lit or not. this still don`t help me from hitting a 20' pole floating level with water. what in Gods name do you need with a 60mph triple 350hp cc inching back home in the fog at 5mph , the tendency is to speed with those kind of boat and you look like photo #1.

Triple 350's hang'in off the back of your boat is not so you can inch home in the dark or Fog...they are there so you can get in Before the Fog Rolls In or it gets dark. Once dark, it's like a Ferrari on Ice.

Bread trails are great...but doesn't the government still dum down the GPS Accuracy from time to time...or is that all in the past.

I will agree that you may not see that 20' pole floating level with the water during the day...but during the day you have a much better chance of picking up on the Pole Peaking its Head up for a Split Second as a Ripple Nudges it ever so slightly.
Also during the day you stand a better chance of catching a brief glimpse of an "Up and Downer", that pole floating on end, bobbing up briefly every few seconds, then disappearing.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Sep 10th, '11, 11:58

Just been through the government sleight of hand trick with stuff floating on our creek. Called the Marine Police, Corp of Engineers, etc. because there are pieces of an old dock (newly replaced) floating down Carter Creek. I was concerned for the idiots on jet skis hitting that stuff at high speed. You'd think after all I've been through with jet skis I would sit on the dock with a poke of beer and score card. Anyway all I wanted was someone to come up here and seek the owner of the flotsam and ask them to remove it. I have retrieved the biggest pieces I can without causing bodily injury so . . .
Got to get my scorecard and pack the cooler.

captbone · Post by **captbone** » Sep 10th, '11, 14:57

sim wrote: Triple 350's hang'in off the back of your boat is not so you can inch home in the dark or Fog...they are there so you can get in Before the Fog Rolls In or it gets dark. Once dark, it's like a Ferrari on Ice.

Bread trails are great...but doesn't the government still dum down the GPS Accuracy from time to time...or is that all in the past.

I will agree that you may not see that 20' pole floating level with the water during the day...but during the day you have a much better chance of picking up on the Pole Peaking its Head up for a Split Second as a Ripple Nudges it ever so slightly.
Also during the day you stand a better chance of catching a brief glimpse of an "Up and Downer", that pole floating on end, bobbing up briefly every few seconds, then disappearing.

Exactly. The triple 350s allow you to leave the dock at 9am if it is pea soup at 5am. The extra speed in good weather can help increase your window.

In Memory Walter K · Post by **In Memory Walter K** » Sep 10th, '11, 16:53

Another week has passed (that makes it two) and if you run your boat faster than 12-15 kts anywhere between Gardners Island and Montauk Point, you are nuts. Not that there aren't boats running 30+, but the waters are still full of trees, telephone poles and sheets of plywood. Be forewarned.

captbone · Post by **captbone** » Sep 10th, '11, 17:31

Walter K wrote:Another week has passed (that makes it two) and if you run your boat faster than 12-15 kts anywhere between Gardners Island and Montauk Point, you are nuts. Not that there aren't boats running 30+, but the waters are still full of trees, telephone poles and sheets of plywood. Be forewarned.

But just like days when its 6+ft offshore, these days are not the norm.

Normally (90%) of the time, you would be able to run fast safely and without issue.

In Memory Walter K · Post by **In Memory Walter K** » Sep 10th, '11, 18:11

I have been fishing these waters since 1957. Thirteen consecutive days of floating and sub surface running gear wipeout rubble is not, and has never been the norm here. My boat has been tied at it's slip through every Hurricane since 1969. This post hurricane condition is by far the worst I have ever seen. Some blame it on the Connecticut river flush-out, but whatever it is, vhf chatter sounds more like trucker CB chatter warning each other of things in the road...every one of those thirteen days.

captbone · Post by **captbone** » Sep 10th, '11, 18:18

I agree. The past two weeks have been out of the normal. Normally you could run fast. Days when you can not run fast are abnormal.

Dug · Post by **Dug** » Sep 10th, '11, 20:57

I thought I had seen a lot of stuff in the water, but today I passed a round bale floating in fishers island sound. No cows underneath. It was huge.

Must have come from vermont, down the CT river. Amazing... And every high tide keeps it dangerous!

Dug

Bertramp · Post by **Bertramp** » Sep 11th, '11, 08:55

Dug wrote:I thought I had seen a lot of stuff in the water, but today I passed a round bale floating in fishers island sound. Dug

you sure that bale was hay ?? you were looking for a cow .... you didn't see the smuggler treading water behind it !! :-D

bob lico · Post by **bob lico** » Sep 11th, '11, 19:39

today a bulkhead pile more then 8' long encrusted with 50 years of growth floating upright maybe 2" above the surface invisible between waves. we were going slow and turn about 6' in front of it----wow would be like hitting a mine!

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