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I was so curious to know what the underlying reasons were for those cracks?

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Craig has the PVC rail for close to 10 years now, and the drip guards, and he still gets streaks in the hull.

He also keeps his boat extremely clean, so if he gets them- everyone will!

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you will still get drip lines down the hull with PVC, it has nothing to do with the rail, it has to do with the amount of pollutants in the air resting on your boat and then getting washed down with the rain.

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no one has any pictures?

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I cant keep up with you guys

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Bob is much easier to understand in person

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I cant believe its in the water in one piece!

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Bob- if you want to drag race a big block chevy with its air cleaner sitting atop the engine sucking in all that hot air- im sure I can set something up :-D

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gemlux scuppers are used on many boats, including regulator. they use a patented high polish/coating method that does give them an incredible shine compared to other stainless. the scuppers are good quality, and I have sold quite a few of thier steering wheels, for the price you could buy 3-4 of the...

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the bulkhead glass is flush mounted from both sides, so what you see on the outside is the same as the inside, you could say it is sandwiched I suppose. There are no lines You can sand what you need to paint with 400, beyond that there is a blending technique that would need to be polished after the...

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Bob- that boat not in the water yet?

There is nothing to see on the inside, looks the same as the outside!

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Thank you for the invite-

I talked briefly with Craig Mac about it, we shall see what happens.
If we do go it will probably be by land just for an afternoon or so.

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many years ago I had a shop that sold window tint, while they all offer a "lifetime gurantee", not all films are lifetime. The theory was that most people would either not bother, not know the difference, or not own the vehicle long enough to take them up on it. The labor is obviously the same, the ...

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ask your tinter for true lifetime commercial film, like they use on buildings.

That wont degrade in a few years

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be sure to buy the ones with the transom corners already heat bent, this will avoid having to miter cut the corners and will look 10000x's better

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Rawleigh wrote:I only go to yards that allow me to do my own work and allow me to brin gin my own workers! I know they are hard to find now.

thats because everyone that had that policy went out of business :-D

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we did a blistered bottom of a 72' last year, tell the blaster to go heavier on it and most of them pop. Those that dont pop are easily popped with a small die grinder or even a counter skinker of they are not that wide. then it was 2 days of sanding by electric da sanders and 80 grit, dont go any g...

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believe me I see stuff that makes me shake my head as well.

One would think if going to the trouble of such an expensive re-power that custom mounts would have been part of the package.

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screws or lag bolts?

thousands of boats have lag bolts right into the stringers, but screws?

usually the lag bolts are fine, until you have a rotted stringer.

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your tank is a PERFECT candidate for relining.

Tanks that have seen ethanol and or failed already should
not consider this as a fix.

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whats the plan for the top of it? Just going to leave the tops of the baffles not attached? The tank I took apart had contamination of the laminates, without proper priming and coating you cannot glass to a compromised substrate. Thats the main issue at hand, it isnt what can you glass in there for ...

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how did you remove the baffles?
saws-all?

or did you grind down the glass around the rivets so that you could drill them out and remove them?

Im guessing a saws-all?

grinding the glass down to remove the rivets is what takes time, and of course putting all the rivets back in.

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whats the explanation for tanks that are NOT foamed in failing? I just removed one of 2 tanks from a diesel powered boat that were 4 years old and failed, no foam anywhere near them. I also removed another tank this summer from a boat that was 5 years old, no foam in that one either. There is no bla...

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you need to cut the tank where Bertram put it together, its a shoe box design. You will have to drill out all the rivets to get the baffles out, there are hundreds of them holding the baffles in place. There is more involved, too much to really list or describe until you are already into the project.

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the opinion of that web site by Dave P is just that, opinion. HIS opinion. It is not scientific fact. like when he tries to debunk a moisture meter by having it hovering over a glass of water- the meter reads conductivity that is carried with the wood and the water, so placing a piece of dy wood OVE...

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you will need thier primer before the coating, you will also need thier resin to glass the whole deal back together. not sure what your plan for glassing the top of the baffles in was, maybe you were just going to glass as much as you could while the lid was off? You will also need to do the baffles...

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I have seen a few boats with a piece of neoprene and a piece of half round stainless steel insert.

the insert is already drilled and does a good job of holding the neoprene.

you could even use the neoprene that came with the gemlux scuppers if you cant find a piece somewhere else.

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mounted from cabin, no frames

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from the limited view of those pictures it looks like they are flush mounted, probably from the inside. The perimeter of the glass appears to be blacked out. The whole package together seems that it gives the appearance of frames. I could be wrong though :-D Blacking out the outside gives it a nice ...

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coating and installing a tank is one of those things you can ask 6 people and get 6 different answers. No offense to anyone intended- but just because someone put thier OPINION on a website does not make it gospel. I am more referencing Pascoe's site that has somehow become a bible for the misinform...

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I know it saves money, and I know you can do it yourself- but please go see a boat that was sprayed by a reputable yard. Then go see a boat done with a brush or roll and tip or whatever method you want to call it. Consider the amount of money in materials and your personal time- it takes a while to ...

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just curious- did you happen to price out the flex mold? remember you need big enough pieces if doing diamonds so that the repeating pattern looks correct on the boat after you trim it to fit. so a gunwale would need a piece as wide as its widest points, cant trim it and piece it in. I remember gett...

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Has anyone ever tried the Gibco Flex-Mold . It is a fairly new product from a company out of Fort Worth ,Texas.The product allows you to duplicate any non -skid pattern by applying gel-coat ,then unrolling a precut pattern of this flexible mold into it. Then squeegee over the mold to make the impre...

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are you sure that is a stern navigation light and not a courtesy light?

attwood makes a $18 stainless light for that application that you can get anywhere. Perko makes the same light in chrome on brass

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thanks Bob- BTW the key to the boat life in teak is its resistance to the teak cleaners, some cleaners break down other sealants. I have used the teak brown and the black, works well and stays pliable for when the wood does its natural things. Have the yard order a tube or 2 from Lewis, or you can g...

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4000UV only comes in white

it dawned on me this morning while I was thinking of Bob's boat that teak brown Boat Life would be a good match, its resistant to teak cleaners, oils, and diesel.

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and please sand the rest of that coating off the wood first

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bob-mask it off properly and use black, it will blend in if you do it carefully.

the mahogony 5200 wont match your wood, but the tan might, the tan matched a moon dust color pretty good.

otherwise check a kitchen and bath place for something closer to the color.

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cant just peek your head or a camera below deck and see if the tank is original?

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im still trying to figure out how they painted that in one shot and managed to keep it so shiny, meaning no overspray falling on the rest of it or footprints from walking on the boat as they were painting. unless they did paint it in stages and then it was unmasked and photographed? a 31 is a imposs...

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let me see if this works:

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I should also point out that Craig mac's interior is all fiberglass, no more formica or any other original panels.

if you were just going to spray over the gelcoated areas of the interior thats not AS bad, but you still have to cover everything and still be able to walk in there and work.

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I can tell you first hand, that painting the inside of a 31 is not a easy task. You cant see a thing when you do it, its like trying to paint in a fog. Besides the obvious prep and equipment, you REALLY need a way to try to exaust the fumes safely. Picture driving in thick fog where you cant see pas...

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let me add that I am 100% confident in the coating and process that was used. Its just not cost effective for the average person.
Its a labor of love.

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you could be right, I never got to see the boat as the owner brought the tank in and installed it himself. Like I said he is a mechanic, all I did was the tank itself. For some reason though 33 sticks in my head so Im probably off on the year. The tank itself is no different they any other bertram t...

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they are all from a early-mid 70s 33 Bertram

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here are some pictures, tank failure, baffles removed, coatings applied. you can see the contamination of the substrate in some of the pictures, this was on a tank that had the fuel pumped out and the tank was scrubbed clean with soap and water. There had not been fuel in that tank for weeks. It onl...

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being contacted once again concerning information about tank relining I feel I will share with you all the hours of research that went into the relining process we used. Please note- I do not wish to line tanks, it is VERY time consuming, and the coating we used are VERY expensive. The cost of the c...

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